Michael Ala'alatoa

[ronk]

Clarkson can pronounce anything he wants to perfectly. Jackman not so much.

[paddyor]

Mispronunciation of foreign language names seems to me a particular Anglosphere thing, this idea that the English speaking people are superior, the transmitters of civilisation and that all the lesser cultures should just grin and bear it, while Hurray Henrys like Jeremy Clarkson mangle their names. It's not just yahoos like Bush W. mispronouncing Iran and Iraq as "Eyeran" and "Eyeraq" but also extends to the perennial insistence of shortening and thereby anglicising Irish names - so for example the BBC presenter Fiona Glover suddenly becomes Fi Glover and - spoiler alert - the full name of the character "Cat" Slater from Eastenders is actually Kathleen.

Nope. I've had my name mispronounced on 4 continents in a few languages. It's a pattern recognition thing.

[blockhead]

Mispronunciation of foreign language names seems to me a particular Anglosphere thing, this idea that the English speaking people are superior, the transmitters of civilisation and that all the lesser cultures should just grin and bear it, while Hurray Henrys like Jeremy Clarkson mangle their names. It's not just yahoos like Bush W. mispronouncing Iran and Iraq as "Eyeran" and "Eyeraq" but also extends to the perennial insistence of shortening and thereby anglicising Irish names - so for example the BBC presenter Fiona Glover suddenly becomes Fi Glover and - spoiler alert - the full name of the character "Cat" Slater from Eastenders is actually Kathleen.

Nope. I've had my name mispronounced on 4 continents in a few languages. It's a pattern recognition thing.

Nice one paddy, good to have a name for it. I too have had experience of people from foreign lands struggle to pronounce my name they way I do. The laughs we would have. In one place were I worked for a bit, the bastardised pronounciation became the norm and everyone used it, I even used it myself after a while just in case they thought I was talking about someone else. There would also be the occaisional giggle when I would say one of their names. Good times.
Who knew we were all a bunch of racist b$&%@#ds disrespecting each other all day long?

[Dave Cahill]

There is a difference between getting ones mucking words fuddled, mispronouncing a name through ignorance of how a name is pronounced in a certain language, and willful mispronounciation based on a refusal to make an effort to pronounce it properly. The first two are understandable and rectifiable. The third is racism and/or xenophobia.

[blockhead]

I never considered my work colleagues racist or or xenophobic at the time.
I still don't.

[blockhead]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2022/012 ... -leinster/

Ukulele?

[riocard911]

There is a difference between getting ones mucking words fuddled, mispronouncing a name through ignorance of how a name is pronounced in a certain language, and willful mispronounciation based on a refusal to make an effort to pronounce it properly. The first two are understandable and rectifiable. The third is racism and/or xenophobia.

+1

P.s. Cool track! Hadn't heard her before. Grma!!!

[paddyor]

There is a difference between getting ones mucking words fuddled, mispronouncing a name through ignorance of how a name is pronounced in a certain language, and willful mispronounciation based on a refusal to make an effort to pronounce it properly. The first two are understandable and rectifiable. The third is racism and/or xenophobia.

Well yeah, (I'd lean more to xenophobia than outright hatred) but I'm inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt given my own difficulties even with Romance language pronuonication. Like I've had my handle(Paddyor) pronounced PDR because apparently in the native tongue the "Pa" madkes a "Pi" sound. I could see me getting the name in that song wrong but I wouldn't willfully repeat the error if corrected.

[Theleinsterlad]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2022/012 ... -leinster/

Ukulele?

He really is hitting all the right notes to becoming yet another great import to join the team.

[ronk]

It's important to have another string to your bow

[blockhead]

It's important to have another string to your bow

He's certainly in tune with his fellow props.

Of course that shouldn't be a suprise since he was Formberly a Crusader.

By George, I'll get me coat.

[leinsterforever]

Some Irish people (probably others too, but I don't have as much experience with them) just seem to have a mental block when it comes to pronouncing unfamiliar names and words. There was an Anglo-Irish guy around where I live called Ronaldson, and a lot of people called him "Rollandson". Another thing was I had a lecturer in college called Raftery. Even though that's an Irish name some people still called him "Rafferty". O'Gara calls Vakatawa "Vatakawa". Any number of people spelt Te'o "T'eo". Even BOD, instead of pronouncing it "Nathaywa", calls Isa "Nasseewa". Not everyone is a linguist.

Lots of commentators seem to be calling him Ala Alatoa, as if it's two different words. Surely the apostrophe should be more a glottal stop than a complete pause before a new word.

[Oldschoolsocks]

Tbh, not ever having heard the name before I’d no clue how to pronounce Geoghegan when he burst on the scene

[paddyor]

Some Irish people (probably others too, but I don't have as much experience with them) just seem to have a mental block when it comes to pronouncing unfamiliar names and words. There was an Anglo-Irish guy around where I live called Ronaldson, and a lot of people called him "Rollandson". Another thing was I had a lecturer in college called Raftery. Even though that's an Irish name some people still called him "Rafferty". O'Gara calls Vakatawa "Vatakawa". Any number of people spelt Te'o "T'eo". Even BOD, instead of pronouncing it "Nathaywa", calls Isa "Nasseewa". Not everyone is a linguist.

Lots of commentators seem to be calling him Ala Alatoa, as if it's two different words. Surely the apostrophe should be more a glottal stop than a complete pause before a new word.

That seems like in keeping wtih how we do surnames begining with O'?

[RoboProp]

Some Irish people (probably others too, but I don't have as much experience with them) just seem to have a mental block when it comes to pronouncing unfamiliar names and words. There was an Anglo-Irish guy around where I live called Ronaldson, and a lot of people called him "Rollandson". Another thing was I had a lecturer in college called Raftery. Even though that's an Irish name some people still called him "Rafferty". O'Gara calls Vakatawa "Vatakawa". Any number of people spelt Te'o "T'eo". Even BOD, instead of pronouncing it "Nathaywa", calls Isa "Nasseewa". Not everyone is a linguist.

Lots of commentators seem to be calling him Ala Alatoa, as if it's two different words. Surely the apostrophe should be more a glottal stop than a complete pause before a new word.

The one that used my eyebrow was Joe Schmidt frequently being called Smith by commentators and by folks in general; and then the way Joe himself would pronounce Samoa (Sam-wa), which I think is closer to the Samoan pronunciation.

Ones I found odd when I moved here all those many moons ago was how Irish people pronounce "H" and film.

[Oldschoolsocks]

fillum

[RoboProp]

fillum

I still shudder

[blockhead]

Some Irish people (probably others too, but I don't have as much experience with them) just seem to have a mental block when it comes to pronouncing unfamiliar names and words. There was an Anglo-Irish guy around where I live called Ronaldson, and a lot of people called him "Rollandson". Another thing was I had a lecturer in college called Raftery. Even though that's an Irish name some people still called him "Rafferty". O'Gara calls Vakatawa "Vatakawa". Any number of people spelt Te'o "T'eo". Even BOD, instead of pronouncing it "Nathaywa", calls Isa "Nasseewa". Not everyone is a linguist.

Lots of commentators seem to be calling him Ala Alatoa, as if it's two different words. Surely the apostrophe should be more a glottal stop than a complete pause before a new word.

The one that used my eyebrow was Joe Schmidt frequently being called Smith by commentators and by folks in general; and then the way Joe himself would pronounce Samoa (Sam-wa), which I think is closer to the Samoan pronunciation.

Ones I found odd when I moved here all those many moons ago was how Irish people pronounce "H" and film.

So when you say it "pronounce the H" do you mean it was odd that we actually pronounced it? Unlike say, Londoners, who have dropped it completly.

[The Doc]

There's no haitch in filum. Don't know what you're talking about



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[Dave Cahill]

So when you say it "pronounce the H" do you mean it was odd that we actually pronounced it? Unlike say, Londoners, who have dropped it completly.

We don't though, or at least not consistently. Christ died at turty tree! Londoners do what is known as th-fronting - TH basically becomes an 'f' or 'v' sound - Christ died at firty free