Leinster Academy 22-23

[propertymad]

He's a lovely kid by all accounts .... but he's not a baby eating lock that would strike fear in anyone, at this stage of his development

Take a look at how the st Michaels pack dealt with him fairly comfortably in the cup ..... the Michaels lock (O'Reilly?) totally outplayed him

There's currently better prospects in that Belvo SCT year apparently (usanov for one) ..... but it will be interesting to see if the Leinster underage coaches can mould spicer into a player that can really take advantage of his impressive frame

We'll find out over the next 24 months if he has the bloody-mindedness to match his size ..... if he does, then it'll be time to get excited

[Theleafysuburb]

Tom Briggs not being called into sub academy next year (2023/24) very strange decision.

[mildlyinterested]

Tom Briggs not being called into sub academy next year (2023/24) very strange decision.

i doubt final decisions have been made there, presumably he will be in with Leinster 20s over the summer and a strong summer and he will get a place.

[mildlyinterested]

the other backrow options at his age grade:

Luke O'Connor(Wexford/Lansdowne)
Tom Brigg(Blackrock)
Conor Tonge(Blackrock)
Richard Whelan(Roscrea)
Paul Wilson(Gonzaga)
Louis McGauran(St. Marys/Lansdowne)

I'd say they will want them to battle it out over the summer for places in the sub-academy.

[mildlyinterested]

Scrumhalf will be interesting next season with the following all in 6th year:

Oliver Coffey(Blackrock)
Tadhg Brophy(Newbridge)
Tom Murtagh(Clongowes)

[mildlyinterested]

Potential Leinster 20s:

LH Prop
Grant Palmer (Wexford RFC)
Ben Howard (St. Michaels)
Tom O'Riordan (Blackrock)

Hooker
Stephen Smyth (Kilkenny College)
Niall O’Hanlon (Athy RFC)

TH Prop
Andrew Sparrow (St Mary’s College)
Adam Deay (Tullow RFC)

Lock
James O’Loughlin (Naas RFC)
Luke O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
Michael O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
Michael Colreavy (Blackrock College)

Backrow
Conor Tonge (Blackrock College)
Tom Brigg (Blackrock College)
Paul Wilson (Gonzaga College)
Louis McGauran (St Mary’s College)
Richard Whelan (CC Roscrea)

Scrumhalf
Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College)
Tadhg Brophy (Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Jack Murphy (Pres Bray)
Sean Naughton (Kilkenny College)
Tom Larke (Old Wesley RFC)

Outside Backs
Luke Kritzinger (Blackrock College)
Wilhelm de Klerk (St Michael’s College)
Sam Berman (St Michael’s College)
Charlie Sheridan (Naas RFC)
Finn Treacy (Pres Bray)
Jules Fenelon (St Michael’s College)
Hugo McLaughlin (Gonzaga College)
Ruben Moloney (Blackrock/UCD)
David Colbert (Gonzaga/DUFC)

[Ayewserious]

Scrumhalf will be interesting next season with the following all in 6th year:

Oliver Coffey(Blackrock)
Tadhg Brophy(Newbridge)
Tom Murtagh(Clongowes)

Murtagh is in 5th year

[mildlyinterested]

Scrumhalf will be interesting next season with the following all in 6th year:

Oliver Coffey(Blackrock)
Tadhg Brophy(Newbridge)
Tom Murtagh(Clongowes)

Murtagh is in 5th year

Clongowes instagram has him as a 6th year.

[the spoofer]

Potential Leinster 20s:

LH Prop
Grant Palmer (Wexford RFC)
Ben Howard (St. Michaels)
Tom O'Riordan (Blackrock)

Hooker
Stephen Smyth (Kilkenny College)
Niall O’Hanlon (Athy RFC)

TH Prop
Andrew Sparrow (St Mary’s College)
Adam Deay (Tullow RFC)

Lock
James O’Loughlin (Naas RFC)
Luke O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
Michael O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
Michael Colreavy (Blackrock College)

Backrow
Conor Tonge (Blackrock College)
Tom Brigg (Blackrock College)
Paul Wilson (Gonzaga College)
Louis McGauran (St Mary’s College)
Richard Whelan (CC Roscrea)

Scrumhalf
Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College)
Tadhg Brophy (Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Jack Murphy (Pres Bray)
Sean Naughton (Kilkenny College)
Tom Larke (Old Wesley RFC)

Outside Backs
Luke Kritzinger (Blackrock College)
Wilhelm de Klerk (St Michael’s College)
Sam Berman (St Michael’s College)
Charlie Sheridan (Naas RFC)
Finn Treacy (Pres Bray)
Jules Fenelon (St Michael’s College)
Hugo McLaughlin (Gonzaga College)
Ruben Moloney (Blackrock/UCD)
David Colbert (Gonzaga/DUFC)

I can see the lad from Tullamore (back 3) involved.

[Fifteen]

Scrumhalf will be interesting next season with the following all in 6th year:

Oliver Coffey(Blackrock)
Tadhg Brophy(Newbridge)
Tom Murtagh(Clongowes)

Murtagh is in 5th year

Clongowes instagram has him as a 6th year.

I haven't seen Murtagh but have been watching Coffey and Brophy over the past few months. For me, Brophy looks much more of a threatening 9 (quicker on his feet, higher tempo, eye for a snipe) but not sure about his kicking and defense. From what I've seem of Coffey so far, I haven't been hugely impressed (decent pass, looks like a good place and box kicker but box kicks seemed inconsistent) but as Mildly mentioned in another thread, it looks like he is the chosen one that will be pushed through to the Leinster academy (24/25) regardless. It will be interesting to see it unfold for sure.

[kff15]

Potential Leinster 20s:

LH Prop
Grant Palmer (Wexford RFC)
Ben Howard (St. Michaels)
Tom O'Riordan (Blackrock)

Hooker
Stephen Smyth (Kilkenny College)
Niall O’Hanlon (Athy RFC)

TH Prop
Andrew Sparrow (St Mary’s College)
Adam Deay (Tullow RFC)

Lock
James O’Loughlin (Naas RFC)
Luke O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
Michael O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
Michael Colreavy (Blackrock College)

Backrow
Conor Tonge (Blackrock College)
Tom Brigg (Blackrock College)
Paul Wilson (Gonzaga College)
Louis McGauran (St Mary’s College)
Richard Whelan (CC Roscrea)

Scrumhalf
Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College)
Tadhg Brophy (Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Jack Murphy (Pres Bray)
Sean Naughton (Kilkenny College)
Tom Larke (Old Wesley RFC)

Outside Backs
Luke Kritzinger (Blackrock College)
Wilhelm de Klerk (St Michael’s College)
Sam Berman (St Michael’s College)
Charlie Sheridan (Naas RFC)
Finn Treacy (Pres Bray)
Jules Fenelon (St Michael’s College)
Hugo McLaughlin (Gonzaga College)
Ruben Moloney (Blackrock/UCD)
David Colbert (Gonzaga/DUFC)

I can see the lad from Tullamore (back 3) involved.

Paidi Farrell is most likely with the Leinster U19s this summer, I would think. Particularly given that there are no U20 interpros to the best of my knowledge

[FtD]

Had seen elsewhere as well that Tom Murtagh is the son of jockey Johnny Murtagh, and his grandfather on his mum's side is former Tipp hurler and manager Babs Keating, so some very interesting sporting DNA in the mix there!

[mildlyinterested]

Yeah I expect Farrell to play 19s.

[mildlyinterested]

Murtagh is in 5th year

Clongowes instagram has him as a 6th year.

I haven't seen Murtagh but have been watching Coffey and Brophy over the past few months. For me, Brophy looks much more of a threatening 9 (quicker on his feet, higher tempo, eye for a snipe) but not sure about his kicking and defense. From what I've seem of Coffey so far, I haven't been hugely impressed (decent pass, looks like a good place and box kicker but box kicks seemed inconsistent) but as Mildly mentioned in another thread, it looks like he is the chosen one that will be pushed through to the Leinster academy (24/25) regardless. It will be interesting to see it unfold for sure.

I dont think it will be regardless, if he doesnt perform over the summer and next season he wont get a place.

[Theleafysuburb]

Tom Briggs not being called into sub academy next year (2023/24) very strange decision.

i doubt final decisions have been made there, presumably he will be in with Leinster 20s over the summer and a strong summer and he will get a place.

As far as I’m aware hasn’t been called in as of yet whilst all other members of blackrock side have been.

[Observingprop123]

Potential Leinster 20s:

LH Prop
Grant Palmer (Wexford RFC)
Ben Howard (St. Michaels)
Tom O'Riordan (Blackrock)

Hooker
Stephen Smyth (Kilkenny College)
Niall O’Hanlon (Athy RFC)

TH Prop
Andrew Sparrow (St Mary’s College)
Adam Deay (Tullow RFC)

Lock
James O’Loughlin (Naas RFC)
Luke O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
Michael O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
Michael Colreavy (Blackrock College)

Backrow
Conor Tonge (Blackrock College)
Tom Brigg (Blackrock College)
Paul Wilson (Gonzaga College)
Louis McGauran (St Mary’s College)
Richard Whelan (CC Roscrea)

Scrumhalf
Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College)
Tadhg Brophy (Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Jack Murphy (Pres Bray)
Sean Naughton (Kilkenny College)
Tom Larke (Old Wesley RFC)

Outside Backs
Luke Kritzinger (Blackrock College)
Wilhelm de Klerk (St Michael’s College)
Sam Berman (St Michael’s College)
Charlie Sheridan (Naas RFC)
Finn Treacy (Pres Bray)
Jules Fenelon (St Michael’s College)
Hugo McLaughlin (Gonzaga College)
Ruben Moloney (Blackrock/UCD)
David Colbert (Gonzaga/DUFC)

Is Ruben Molony back from injury yet? Looked seriously refined in the senior cup.

[ExtremelyInterested]

Potential Leinster 20s:

LH Prop
Grant Palmer (Wexford RFC)
Ben Howard (St. Michaels)
Tom O'Riordan (Blackrock)

Hooker
Stephen Smyth (Kilkenny College)
Niall O’Hanlon (Athy RFC)

TH Prop
Andrew Sparrow (St Mary’s College)
Adam Deay (Tullow RFC)

Lock
James O’Loughlin (Naas RFC)
Luke O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
Michael O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
Michael Colreavy (Blackrock College)

Backrow
Conor Tonge (Blackrock College)
Tom Brigg (Blackrock College)
Paul Wilson (Gonzaga College)
Louis McGauran (St Mary’s College)
Richard Whelan (CC Roscrea)

Scrumhalf
Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College)
Tadhg Brophy (Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Jack Murphy (Pres Bray)
Sean Naughton (Kilkenny College)
Tom Larke (Old Wesley RFC)

Outside Backs
Luke Kritzinger (Blackrock College)
Wilhelm de Klerk (St Michael’s College)
Sam Berman (St Michael’s College)
Charlie Sheridan (Naas RFC)
Finn Treacy (Pres Bray)
Jules Fenelon (St Michael’s College)
Hugo McLaughlin (Gonzaga College)
Ruben Moloney (Blackrock/UCD)
David Colbert (Gonzaga/DUFC)

Is Ruben Molony back from injury yet? Looked seriously refined in the senior cup.

Got back, played a 20s game for UCD and I believe did shoulder again.

[Fifteen]

Clongowes instagram has him as a 6th year.

I haven't seen Murtagh but have been watching Coffey and Brophy over the past few months. For me, Brophy looks much more of a threatening 9 (quicker on his feet, higher tempo, eye for a snipe) but not sure about his kicking and defense. From what I've seem of Coffey so far, I haven't been hugely impressed (decent pass, looks like a good place and box kicker but box kicks seemed inconsistent) but as Mildly mentioned in another thread, it looks like he is the chosen one that will be pushed through to the Leinster academy (24/25) regardless. It will be interesting to see it unfold for sure.

I dont think it will be regardless, if he doesnt perform over the summer and next season he wont get a place.

Apologies, "regardless" is a bit extreme but I'm sure he’ll be able to perform well enough to be in the mix. My point is that it seems to me that very early on, certain players, especially the hyped schools players/NTS selected players, are positioned as shoo-ins for academy contracts. I think this marginalises or even excludes some very good players with possibly equal/more potential who are never going to get an equivalent chance or window as the chosen ones are handed most of the opportunities.

[Observingprop123]

I haven't seen Murtagh but have been watching Coffey and Brophy over the past few months. For me, Brophy looks much more of a threatening 9 (quicker on his feet, higher tempo, eye for a snipe) but not sure about his kicking and defense. From what I've seem of Coffey so far, I haven't been hugely impressed (decent pass, looks like a good place and box kicker but box kicks seemed inconsistent) but as Mildly mentioned in another thread, it looks like he is the chosen one that will be pushed through to the Leinster academy (24/25) regardless. It will be interesting to see it unfold for sure.

I dont think it will be regardless, if he doesnt perform over the summer and next season he wont get a place.

Apologies, "regardless" is a bit extreme but I'm sure he’ll be able to perform well enough to be in the mix. My point is that it seems to me that very early on, certain players, especially the hyped schools players/NTS selected players, are positioned as shoo-ins for academy contracts. I think this marginalises or even excludes some very good players with possibly equal/more potential who are never going to get an equivalent chance or window as the chosen ones are handed most of the opportunities.

I've thought the same in the past from my own experiences playing against players. Fast forward a few years and it shows that the coaches and scouts know a lot more than I do. The players who I've thought have got shafted haven't turned themselves into much of note, where as the players the coaches handpicked have hit incredible levels.

I think good example is Caelan Doris. He was far from hyped up in his year in school, but the coaches saw his incredible talent and he seamlessly moved up the ranks without much hype about him. Now he is without question one of the best players in the world.

Some skills intangible rather than purely athletic skills. For example Coffey could be the hardest working player behind the scenes, a great leader, and may fit better into other systems which other players might not. I'd trust the coaches that see them in training and their opinions. Sure they'll get a few players wrong here and there, but its impossible not to.

[Oddshapedballs]

Any idea when they will announce an u20s squad for summer training?