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offshorerules wrote: February 19th, 2024, 8:31 am
Oldschoolsocks wrote: July 30th, 2023, 2:09 am
propertymad wrote: July 30th, 2023, 12:06 am

The Intellectual type
Hmmmmm… so what’s intellectual about property?
The property referred to is property of the mind. The most valuable kind.
Have an auld read of what the chap wrote before I asked the question, your perception of the value of this intellect may change. Just a lil’ bit…
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I didn't say all Intellectual Property was valuable, in fact some of it is worthless, but it is still the most valuable form of property.
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naraic wrote: February 19th, 2024, 8:20 am https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/se ... 08324.html
It looks like some of the sevens players will be released for six nations involvement.
Its a good move. It should give them a better chance of being competitive at least. Good news.
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I took a few minutes to add the Celtic Challenge team to the Irish squad members where appropriate. Including the training panelists.

17 Wolfhounds and 9 Clovers players

So 26 that took part in the Celtic Challenge and 7 that play in England, 5 that plays sevens (including just one sevens player who took part in the Celtic Challenge).

Theres 5 players who don't play in England but skipped the Celtic Challenge (perhaps they were added later as I'm just working off the initial squad. Perhaps they impressed in the womens AIL or interpros but the coaches for the Clovers and Wolfhounds didn't like them.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2024/021 ... ons-squad/
https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/12/20/tw ... challenge/

Forwards (19)
Claire Boles (Railway Union RFC/Ulster)
Ruth Campbell (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)*
Megan Collis (Railway Union RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Eimear Corri (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Sarah Delaney (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Linda Djougang (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Christy Haney (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Brittany Hogan (Old Belvedere RFC/Ulster/Wolfhounds)
Shannon Ikahihifo (Ealing Trailfinders/IQ Rugby)*
Neve Jones (Gloucester-Hartpury/Ulster)
Sadhbh McGrath (MU Barnhall/Cooke RFC/Ulster/Clovers)
Edel McMahon (Exeter Chiefs/Connacht) (co-captain)
Grace Moore (Saracens/IQ Rugby)
Sam Monaghan (Gloucester-Hartpury/) (co-captain)
Niamh O'Dowd (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Clovers)
Andrea Stock (Ealing Trailfinders/IQ Rugby)*
Fiona Tuite (Old Belvedere RFC/Ulster/Wolfhounds)
Aoife Wafer (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Dorothy Wall (Blackrock College RFC/Munster/Clovers)

Backs (16)
Natasja Behan (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds/Sevens)
Enya Breen (Blackrock College/Munster)
Katie Corrigan (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)*
Aoife Dalton (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Méabh Deely (Blackrock College RFC/Connacht/Clovers)
Lauren Delany (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
Nicole Fowley (Galwegians RFC/Connacht)
Clare Gorman (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Clovers)*
Katie Heffernan (Railway Union RFC/Leinster/Sevens)*
Eve Higgins (Railway Union RFC/Leinster/Sevens)
Dannah O’Brien (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Béibhinn Parsons (Blackrock College RFC/Connacht/Sevens)
Aoibheann Reilly (Blackrock College RFC/Connacht/Sevens)
Molly Scuffil-McCabe (Railway Union RFC/Leinster)
Chisom Ugwueru (UL Bohemian RFC/Munster/Clovers)*
Katie Whelan (Old Belvedere RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)*

Training Panellists (7)
India Daley (Blackrock College RFC/Ulster/Wolfhounds)*
Kate Flannery (UL Bohemian RFC/Munster/Clovers)*
Ivana Kiripati (Tuam-Oughterard/Connacht)*
Hannah O'Connor (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Maeve Óg O’Leary (Blackrock College RFC/Munster/Clovers)
Leah Tarpey (Railway Union RFC/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
Kayla Waldron (Railway Union RFC/Connacht/Clovers)*
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15. Lauren Delany (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
14. Katie Corrigan (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)*
13. Eve Higgins (Railway Union/Leinster/Sevens)
12. Aoife Dalton (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
11. Béibhinn Parsons (Blackrock College/Connacht/Sevens)
10. Nicole Fowley (Galwegians/Connacht)
9. Aoibheann Reilly (Blackrock College/Connacht/Sevens)

1. Linda Djougang (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
2. Neve Jones (Gloucester-Hartpury)
3. Christy Haney Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
4. Dorothy Wall (Blackrock College/Munster/Clovers)
5. Hannah O’Connor (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
6. Aoife Wafer (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
7. Edel McMahon (Exeter Chiefs) Captain
8. Brittany Hogan (Old Belvedere /Ulster/Wolfhounds)

Replacements:

16. Sarah Delaney (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
17. Niamh O’Dowd (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Clovers)
18. Sadhbh McGrath (Cooke/Ulster/Clovers)
19. Fiona Tuite (Old Belvedere/Ulster/Wolfhounds)
20. Grace Moore (Saracens/IQ Rugby)
21. Molly Scuffil-McCabe (Leinster)
22. Dannah O’Brien (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
23. Méabh Deely (Blackrock College/Connacht/Clovers)

Looking at the breakdown I wonder what the story behind someone like Molly Scuffil-McCabe or Nicole Fowley who missed on the Celtic Challenge but are in the Ireland 23. Were they injured or did the Celtic Challenge teams not like them while the Irish coach likes them. Surely the Irish coaches should be forcing the players they want involved into the Celtic Challenge teams.

This and the England match will be the two toughest games of the six nations.

For anyone curious about the permutations of six nations finishings.

The highest finishing team (not England or France) qualify for the next RWC.

The teams finishing 1-3 qualify for WXV1. The teams finishing 4-5 qualify for WXV2. The team finishing 6th will play a playoff against the Rugby European Championship winner to determine which will qualify for WXV2 and which will qualify for WXV3.

WXV2 all but guarantees RWC qualification.
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naraic wrote: March 21st, 2024, 9:28 pm 15. Lauren Delany (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
14. Katie Corrigan (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)*
13. Eve Higgins (Railway Union/Leinster/Sevens)
12. Aoife Dalton (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
11. Béibhinn Parsons (Blackrock College/Connacht/Sevens)
10. Nicole Fowley (Galwegians/Connacht)
9. Aoibheann Reilly (Blackrock College/Connacht/Sevens)

1. Linda Djougang (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
2. Neve Jones (Gloucester-Hartpury)
3. Christy Haney Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
4. Dorothy Wall (Blackrock College/Munster/Clovers)
5. Hannah O’Connor (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
6. Aoife Wafer (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
7. Edel McMahon (Exeter Chiefs) Captain
8. Brittany Hogan (Old Belvedere /Ulster/Wolfhounds)

Replacements:

16. Sarah Delaney (Blackrock College/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
17. Niamh O’Dowd (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Clovers)
18. Sadhbh McGrath (Cooke/Ulster/Clovers)
19. Fiona Tuite (Old Belvedere/Ulster/Wolfhounds)
20. Grace Moore (Saracens/IQ Rugby)
21. Molly Scuffil-McCabe (Leinster)
22. Dannah O’Brien (Old Belvedere/Leinster/Wolfhounds)
23. Méabh Deely (Blackrock College/Connacht/Clovers)

Looking at the breakdown I wonder what the story behind someone like Molly Scuffil-McCabe or Nicole Fowley who missed on the Celtic Challenge but are in the Ireland 23. Were they injured or did the Celtic Challenge teams not like them while the Irish coach likes them. Surely the Irish coaches should be forcing the players they want involved into the Celtic Challenge teams.

This and the England match will be the two toughest games of the six nations.

For anyone curious about the permutations of six nations finishings.

The highest finishing two teams (not England or France) qualify for the next RWC.

The teams finishing 1-3 qualify for WXV1. The teams finishing 4-5 qualify for WXV2. The team finishing 6th will play a playoff against the Rugby European Championship winner to determine which will qualify for WXV2 and which will qualify for WXV3.

WXV2 all but guarantees RWC qualification.
Think it is only one side which qualifies into RWC 2025, top finisher (outside England and France)? Otherwise yes I read the same re which WXV Ireland would play in later in the year.
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You are correct, my mistake
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Just can't get into it.
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Well the team is clearly improving from other years.

There is a problem that theres too much reliance on the boot of Nicole Fowley. She is constantly kicking and has no other option. No one else is kicking too. No box kicks. The full back won't kick even if the French backfield is empty.

There have been good moments. Two promising attacks into the French 22 (ended by lineout woes).

17-3 now to the French. Am hoping the Irish don't fade completely in the second half as they get tired. They have run themselves hard in the first half.

Edit: having a hooker who plays flanker more than hooker at club level can't be helping.
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A change of 10 at half time with O'Brien on and Fowley off might see a completely different type of attack.
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France win 38-17

I think Niamh Fowley as a kicking 10 did better than Dannah O'Brien. That said she needs back up from another kicking option. Maybe Deeley at 15 and Delaney on the wing?

Ireland have scored as many tries in this game as we did in the 2023 six nations so there is definite green shoots.

On to Italy next week. Hopefully our improved performance can be converted into a result next week.
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A very promising performance. You can see the changes that Scott Bemand and Declan Danagher have made to the organisation of the team, particularly in defence. We had a limited game plan that relied on our defence and a strong kicking game and it pretty much worked the way they wanted it to. We would have conceded 60 or 70 last season to that French team. The next step is our transition and attacking game. But you can't build a pyramid from the top down and our foundations look solid.
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Thought it was a much improved performance against a quality team. Showed some real character in defence, Fowley offered a quality kicking option, and the front five offered real physicality around the pitch.

First time I've wathced them since last year and you could see the massive strides they have taken. Plenty to do but plenty to cheer about too.
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Dave Cahill wrote:A very promising performance. You can see the changes that Scott Bemand and Declan Danagher have made to the organisation of the team, particularly in defence. We had a limited game plan that relied on our defence and a strong kicking game and it pretty much worked the way they wanted it to. We would have conceded 60 or 70 last season to that French team. The next step is our transition and attacking game. But you can't build a pyramid from the top down and our foundations look solid.
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Would also mention the ref from the US. Thought she managed the game and TMO reviews really well.



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Dave Cahill wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 4:16 pm A very promising performance. You can see the changes that Scott Bemand and Declan Danagher have made to the organisation of the team, particularly in defence. We had a limited game plan that relied on our defence and a strong kicking game and it pretty much worked the way they wanted it to. We would have conceded 60 or 70 last season to that French team. The next step is our transition and attacking game. But you can't build a pyramid from the top down and our foundations look solid.
Agreed and the Squad and Coaching staff deserve kudos for the conditioning of the players which showed the benefits in the last quarter.

Line-out needs real attention, allied to our transition from defence. But I look forward to watching the development of this team.
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Our team needed to show greater consistency in attack and defence. The best, on both sides of the ball, was excellent but the lapses were what cost cost us. The simple things of catching and tackling went missing too often.

Our Nos 7, 4, 3 and 5 showed great power in attack, from time to time, but not consistently. Our superstar left winger, Parsons, had some crucial handling errors but showed pace & power occasionally. Likewise Our half-backs showed they have real skills, but also big flaws.

Improving, and when we grow confidence in what we're good at, we'll start to win these games.
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Cliodhna Moloney returns to the squad for the first stime since 2021.

Interesting to see if she comes back into the first choice XXIII. Neve Jones has been great (outside of the lineout). She could be shifted to flanker (where she has played for Gloucester) or fall to the bench or Moloney could come into the bench.

Great to see.
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Absolutely delighted coming out of Aviva yesterday to hear the 6N's result against Wales. I look forward to watching it on the Player.

Well done to the entire Squad and Management. You deserved a win against Italy based on performance and it's great to finally get back on track.
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Ruckedtobits wrote: April 14th, 2024, 7:33 am Absolutely delighted coming out of Aviva yesterday to hear the 6N's result against Wales. I look forward to watching it on the Player.

Well done to the entire Squad and Management. You deserved a win against Italy based on performance and it's great to finally get back on track.
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The commentary team for the Ireland Scotland game are idiots. They keep talking about how the game is important to determine RWC qualification.

It doesn't matter in terms of RWC qualification. Theres a qualification spot for 3rd in the six nations. Thats correct. Theres also six qualification spots for the teams that finish best in WXV that aren't already qualified.

We have guaranteed qualification by avoiding the wooden spoon.

3rd qualifies automatically but the six highest ranked teams in WXV that don't already qualify will qualify. All of WXV1 is autoqualified. 2 of WXV2 will have qualified through regional qualification tournaments. The 4 teams in WXV2 that aren't qualified through other means will all qualify for RWC 2025.

The top 2 in WXV3 (who aren't the Oceania champion) will also qualify.
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