Munster 2023/2024 - Return of the Jedi????

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A Scottish crowd booing. Well I never….
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R.G got away with that one
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6-2 bench split hurting Munster. Haley and Nankivell both off injured.
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Vd Merwe got two more passes from his team-mates in the second half. Both within about 30 seconds of each other, same as the first half. He got as many passes from Munster players as from Edinburgh players in the second 40.
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Hard-fought win for Munster. Suspect we’ll need nine points from our last two games to finish ahead of them.
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JohnB wrote: May 17th, 2024, 8:18 pm The Ref is giving Edinburgh carte blanche to either come in from the side at Munster rucks or to fall with impunity on the Munster side of those rucks to impede getting the ball away. It’s bizarre the latitude he’s giving them.

The Ref repaid in spades any perceived advantage he gave Edinburgh in that game. Some seriously blatant mistakes and bias against Edinburgh throughout the 2nd half. Munster better able to score tries, but didn't deserve to win this one, which should have been a draw.
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Jaysis but Ben Healy is not a very good 10 .... Crowley schooled him there

Not sure how the ref/tmo gave edinburghs try .... but Munsters should have been chalked off too so Honours even there

Munster timing their run well again this year ..... is Beirne ever going to get a rest ?
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Ruckedtobits wrote:
JohnB wrote: May 17th, 2024, 8:18 pm The Ref is giving Edinburgh carte blanche to either come in from the side at Munster rucks or to fall with impunity on the Munster side of those rucks to impede getting the ball away. It’s bizarre the latitude he’s giving them.

The Ref repaid in spades any perceived advantage he gave Edinburgh in that game. Some seriously blatant mistakes and bias against Edinburgh throughout the 2nd half. Munster better able to score tries, but didn't deserve to win this one, which should have been a draw.
Didn't see the first half but thought that the ref rode Edinburgh in the 2nd half

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Ruckedtobits wrote: May 17th, 2024, 9:43 pm
JohnB wrote: May 17th, 2024, 8:18 pm The Ref is giving Edinburgh carte blanche to either come in from the side at Munster rucks or to fall with impunity on the Munster side of those rucks to impede getting the ball away. It’s bizarre the latitude he’s giving them.

The Ref repaid in spades any perceived advantage he gave Edinburgh in that game. Some seriously blatant mistakes and bias against Edinburgh throughout the 2nd half. Munster better able to score tries, but didn't deserve to win this one, which should have been a draw.
Yes indeed, he went out of his way to even things up!
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Barry wrote: May 17th, 2024, 9:52 pm
Ruckedtobits wrote:
JohnB wrote: May 17th, 2024, 8:18 pm The Ref is giving Edinburgh carte blanche to either come in from the side at Munster rucks or to fall with impunity on the Munster side of those rucks to impede getting the ball away. It’s bizarre the latitude he’s giving them.

The Ref repaid in spades any perceived advantage he gave Edinburgh in that game. Some seriously blatant mistakes and bias against Edinburgh throughout the 2nd half. Munster better able to score tries, but didn't deserve to win this one, which should have been a draw.
Didn't see the first half but thought that the ref rode Edinburgh in the 2nd half

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Glad I'm a neutral for this one so I can say with no bias that that ref is an embarrassment to the sport. Shocking display.
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I thought that ref, who I have slated in the past, was actually pretty good tonight. Seemed to get the big decisions correct and he certainly had a closer view of that Edinburgh maul that collapsed pretty dramatically.

Munster were the better team and despite the injuries they scraped out a win.
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Logorrhea wrote: May 17th, 2024, 11:28 pm I thought that ref, who I have slated in the past, was actually pretty good tonight. Seemed to get the big decisions correct and he certainly had a closer view of that Edinburgh maul that collapsed pretty dramatically.

Munster were the better team and despite the injuries they scraped out a win.
He made a massive mistake on the Snyman tackle. Snyman intentionally tackles the lad after he has kicked the ball, then the big fellah crawls over him and rubs it in. As a team-mate, you go in to clear him off your outhalf ten times out of ten. There's no f*cking way you should let some 20 stone monster rough up your outhalf way after the ball is gone, especially if you're Willie Mata.

To say that Snyman couldn't pull out of the tackle was a mistake. To say that Mata was the one who inflamed the situation was a mistake – it was Snyman who inflamed the situation. To penalise Edinburgh was a mistake. There's no fights in rugby anymore. Penalising guys who defend their team-mates [the 'third man in'] was about preventing all-out punch-ups, and they just don't happen anymore. That idea goes back to a different era, it should be canned. Judge the situation on its merits.

The ref said himself that he wasn't going to penalise Snyman for the late tackle or roughing up Healy on the ground. Grand. Does that mean you can do it in every game? Can Big Joe just smash Ntamack every time after he has kicked the ball, hold him down and stick his forearm on his nose for as long as the game goes on and milk penalties out of it when somebody does something about it? It was a terrible call.

With that said, everyone makes mistakes. I like all the Italian refs, I think they have a great attitude to the game. That goes a long way.
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Yeah forgot about that one. Pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good.
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hugonaut wrote: May 18th, 2024, 1:45 am
Logorrhea wrote: May 17th, 2024, 11:28 pm I thought that ref, who I have slated in the past, was actually pretty good tonight. Seemed to get the big decisions correct and he certainly had a closer view of that Edinburgh maul that collapsed pretty dramatically.

Munster were the better team and despite the injuries they scraped out a win.
He made a massive mistake on the Snyman tackle. Snyman intentionally tackles the lad after he has kicked the ball, then the big fellah crawls over him and rubs it in. As a team-mate, you go in to clear him off your outhalf ten times out of ten. There's no f*cking way you should let some 20 stone monster rough up your outhalf way after the ball is gone, especially if you're Willie Mata.

To say that Snyman couldn't pull out of the tackle was a mistake. To say that Mata was the one who inflamed the situation was a mistake – it was Snyman who inflamed the situation. To penalise Edinburgh was a mistake. There's no fights in rugby anymore. Penalising guys who defend their team-mates [the 'third man in'] was about preventing all-out punch-ups, and they just don't happen anymore. That idea goes back to a different era, it should be canned. Judge the situation on its merits.

The ref said himself that he wasn't going to penalise Snyman for the late tackle or roughing up Healy on the ground. Grand. Does that mean you can do it in every game? Can Big Joe just smash Ntamack every time after he has kicked the ball, hold him down and stick his forearm on his nose for as long as the game goes on and milk penalties out of it when somebody does something about it? It was a terrible call.

With that said, everyone makes mistakes. I like all the Italian refs, I think they have a great attitude to the game. That goes a long way.
I see it the same as you, but I know others don't. Snyman was pretty close so viewed purely from that it looked close enough to allow. But he initiated the main part of the hit after the ball was gone.

Clearly a late hit with follow through on the ground.
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Look closely and see verbals by Snyman right into Healy's earhole. A big, big man hitting a smaller, but big, former team-mate with a legitimate late tackle deserves a penalty, nothing more. Snyman probable wouldn't have done it on the half-way line, he's too clever. But he gets away with handing out an old-fashioned rugby lesson, illegally, and no sanction. Wrong. As for Mata, he did exactly the right thing for his team and his team-mate and if the S African hadn't been giving Healy a rubbing Mata wouldn't have been there in time to pull him off.
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The ref rode Munster at the breakdown in the first half, but evened it up with a series of decisions to ride Edinburgh in the second period.

How that wasn’t a penalty and a yellow card to Synman for the late tackle and pinning of Healy, I just can’t understand! Terrible decision.

The regrettable lesson from that travesty of a call to Mata and all players defending smaller team mates getting mugged is- if going in, do it harder. If the ref won’t protect your players, you need to do so, by hurting the perpetrator- because you’re going to be punished anyway. Rubbish call.

But I too like this ref- generally. Just an uneven performance with some particularly bad calls.


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Zebo has announced that he is retiring at the end of the season.

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Barry wrote: May 21st, 2024, 12:24 pm Zebo has announced that he is retiring at the end of the season.

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Flash Gordon wrote: May 21st, 2024, 1:13 pm
Barry wrote: May 21st, 2024, 12:24 pm Zebo has announced that he is retiring at the end of the season.

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Bit of a frustrating player. Bags of talent and ability but only 35 caps for Ireland whereas a much limited player like Andrew Trimble got twice that with hard work and application. I suppose he will say he played for Ireland, won silverware, played in France, played for the Lions and enjoyed his career.
I am sorry to say I'm rather intrigued as to how much he will balloon sans rugby
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